How is it a tumor can be so invasive?

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Permalink Reply by Linda Viscardis on March 5, 2010 at 5:28am

Hello Dan - I am so sorry for your loss. I simply cannot imagine losing one's child. This simply is not the natural order of things. I pray you will find solace in the memories you have of your son, and the gift that he was to the world.

Are you saying that your son's pH was balanced? I've learned recently that cancer goes dormant at a pH of 7.2 and cannot survive at 8.0.

I am a 4-year cancer survivor and I believe I have found THE thing that will keep me healthy throughout my lifetime.

My condolences to you and your family.

Permalink Reply by Dan Allen on March 5, 2010 at 1:09pm

I'm saying even after three weeks with Dr. Young in San Diego and more weeks of hell eating salt, raw soups, green drinks the 'evil' continued to eat away at him. To put it bluntly, After 20 years of being vegaterian, having no sickness myself, I'm in a quandry over this question of what was the cause of my sons evil. I call it evil even though I've never really believd in this thing many call evil. Its more the rewards and the puishments of living according to the laws of nature or not iving them.

Cancer going dormant at ph 7.2 i believe is one of the lies in alternative medicine. I watched my son starve himself on a diet with no substance, Consuming many costly drinks, supplaments, salt drips, sprays and plain garbage with the pictures of the "Dr." and his smiling wife on every bottle of snake oil. And this was after a promise of, 'you'll see the difference in one week. My son payed his $16.000.00 bought the snake oils and wasted away.

Okay, I'm a little angry at this guy and I don't trust him. So, I'm trying to find someone who may know a little more about, how tumors can grow in a body with nothing to feed on. How is it that mature seems to have broken one of its own laws, that of attacking itself.

Dan

Thaks for your reply anyway.

Permalink Reply by Casey Eldredge on March 5, 2010 at 2:45pm

Dear Dan,
I too am sorry for your loss. What type of cancer did your son have?
I had stage 4 non-hodgkins lymphoma. Am a natural health care practitioner and almost lost my life attempting only natural treatments. I am familiar with the many people who come out of nowhere and say you should try this, read this...I tried everything from RIFE machines, to MMS, gerson diet, coffee enemas, Bemer enrgy mats, Kangen water...and then to the Burzynski clinic in Houston where we dropped 20k or more on treatments only to be sent home to do chemo less than 2 weeks later. I wrote my last will and testament there, because I was in so much pain and knew I was dying. The softball size tumor in my liver was know a football size and the lymph nodes in my chest were growing everywhere.Two days after my 1st chemo the tumor in my liver collapsed like a balloon and my life began to come back to me. It was just too aggressive a cancer and too far progressed for natural means. I am lucky. I feel survivors guilt though sometimes, not knowing why I survived and many others didn't. Natural healing was a big part of my recovery while using chemo and as much as it didn't make sense to weaken my immune system more to live through this I am alive 9 months in remission,, currently a vegan and hoping I can help others be in it to win it like my philosophy was through diet, lifestyle, yada, yada, yada...
Have you read the Anticancer book? It has a great explanation of the cancer growing process and how the tumors develop and are feed, written by a doctor who developed a brain tumor, twice and his struggle to change the terrain of his body to survive.
I hear your anger and I wish I could give you a hug and lessen the pain. Your son did not deserve this nor you. I know you will be a big part of helping others understand cancer and how to stop this incedious disease, it will help your pain, give your sons death/suffering more meaning than it currently holds for you.
Namaste,Casey

Dan Allen said:

I'm saying even after three weeks with Dr. Young in San Diego and more weeks of hell eating salt, raw soups, green drinks the 'evil' continued to eat away at him. To put it bluntly, After 20 years of being vegaterian, having no sickness myself, I'm in a quandry over this question of what was the cause of my sons evil. I call it evil even though I've never really believd in this thing many call evil. Its more the rewards and the puishments of living according to the laws of nature or not iving them.

Cancer going dormant at ph 7.2 i believe is one of the lies in alternative medicine. I watched my son starve himself on a diet with no substance, Consuming many costly drinks, supplaments, salt drips, sprays and plain garbage with the pictures of the "Dr." and his smiling wife on every bottle of snake oil. And this was after a promise of, 'you'll see the difference in one week. My son payed his $16.000.00 bought the snake oils and wasted away.

Okay, I'm a little angry at this guy and I don't trust him. So, I'm trying to find someone who may know a little more about, how tumors can grow in a body with nothing to feed on. How is it that mature seems to have broken one of its own laws, that of attacking itself.

Dan

Thaks for your reply anyway.

Permalink Reply by Dan Allen on March 5, 2010 at 11:39pm

Thanks Casey.

I've read a lot of books over the years, but missed that one. For thirty years I believed cancer could be treated with diet and fasting. This is something we did, 20 days on just water, myself and two sons in Northern Arizona. Still he contunied to waste away.

I'll get the book right away, and thanks for your responce,. Maybe I'll change my mind about Doctors and 'invasive medicine.'

And knowing that you're safe and alive to talk about it as well as embrace others with more understanding is in itself a gift to me.

Thaks again and love also.

Dan

Permalink Reply by Casey Eldredge on March 6, 2010 at 12:24am

You're welcome.
Ironically enough, I was trying to learn more about cancer before I got it. I had watched the Food Matters video and wondered. I was a colon hydrotherapist and wanted to know how to help the cancer pts. that came to me and whether I would hurt them during treatments/cancer with colonics. Careful what you ask for because I got a first hand account. I had lost my own father 20 years earlier to complications of chemo for what was a "localized lymphoma in his femur, with a good prognosis". I was so afraid of going down that path, and I had just entered into the world of holistic medicine a year before, watched the foodmatters video and wanted to beat this cancer "naturally" by raising my immune system. When I was unable to do that and had to have chemo or die I felt like a failure. I continued to use colonics, accupuncture, double shots of wheatgrass, visualization, affirmations, treasure maps,love and support throughout my treatments....... I lost every inch of hair on my body (and for us hair nuerotic females thats a lot) There were many times I thought I would not make it and as I approach my 9 month check-up next week,I still deal with the fear of recurrence. I had 7 MRSA infections since my last chemo, gallbladder problems (which were noticed when I was first diagnosed, but had a much bigger enchilada on the plate) I was able to finally heal MRSA without antibiotics and natural methods and am currently attempting to not lose my GB to surgical removal. I truly believe in natural medicine, diet, lifestyle and that more money needs to go into research for natural methods for cancer, but alas that is not where the money is to be made, so it hasn't really been funded. I hope that if I'm able to write a book about my experiences I could help fund and raise money for research. Because in essence it should be"First Do No Harm."
I think we as holistic people need to not be such zealots and be open to conventional medicine at times. An integrative approach in a lot of different areas is good. I wrote an article in our local Confluence about my experience and got a letter in the next issue just blasting me, because according to her natural healthcare works. I did all the things she said worked and yet that was not my EXPERIENCE, how can someone rebuff someone's experience, not opinion?
What was your son's name? Someday when I write my book I would like to include his/your experience, if that's okay?
Another good book if you haven't read it, that I liked and am still reading is, Why People Don't, And How They Can., by Caroline Myss.
Casey
Casey

Dan Allen said:

Thanks Casey.

I've read a lot of books over the years, but missed that one. For thirty years I believed cancer could be treated with diet and fasting. This is something we did, 20 days on just water, myself and two sons in Northern Arizona. Still he contunied to waste away.

I'll get the book right away, and thanks for your responce,. Maybe I'll change my mind about Doctors and 'invasive medicine.'

And knowing that you're safe and alive to talk about it as well as embrace others with more understanding is in itself a gift to me.

Thaks again and love also.

Dan

Permalink Reply by Casey Eldredge on March 6, 2010 at 12:27am

That would be, Why People Don't Heal, and How They Can

Dan Allen said:

Thanks Casey.

I've read a lot of books over the years, but missed that one. For thirty years I believed cancer could be treated with diet and fasting. This is something we did, 20 days on just water, myself and two sons in Northern Arizona. Still he contunied to waste away.

I'll get the book right away, and thanks for your responce,. Maybe I'll change my mind about Doctors and 'invasive medicine.'

And knowing that you're safe and alive to talk about it as well as embrace others with more understanding is in itself a gift to me.

Thaks again and love also.

Dan

Permalink Reply by Linda Viscardis on March 6, 2010 at 12:38am

Hello again -
I too recommend the Anticancer: A New Way of Life by David Servan-Schreiber. I hope you find it as helpful as I've found it to be.

Another thing to consider ... you know how we are all breathing in toxins, drinking them and bathing in them, and eating them? There comes a point when he body may not be able to cleanse these impurities on its own. So, cleansing is important. Just like we brush our teeth to prevent decay, clean our furnace filters to allow our furnace to run effectively, etc., I believe we need to do the same for our insides. Otherwise, no matter how much nutrition we put in, we'll still be in a state of toxicity.

I have found a nutritional cleanse that cleanses all organs of the body at a cellular level. I know that I will never be free of toxins, but I feel good knowing that I am purging my body of them on a daily, weekly and monthly basis.

I know there is a lot of "snake oil" out there - I've tried a lot of them, without success of course. But I am being monitored by both my MD and ND and both are very pleased with how far I have come in improving my health.

I feel your pain and recognize your anger, and all I can say is that this is something you need to feel. It will be with you for as long as it needs, and then you will feel something different. I have not lost a child, so I can't truly empathize. I did give birth to a child who lives with multiple disabilities though and I have been sorting out all of the feelings that come with that for over 25 years.

I would be very interested in finding out more about how a tumor could react the way your son's did. Your growing knowledge about this could one day save another person's life. I hope you will continue to reach out to others. I am absolutely in awe of you reaching out through this forum, and I commend you.

Take good care.

Permalink Reply by Dan Allen on March 6, 2010 at 2:48am

Darol's wife keeps a blog going. If you wish to visit, its 'springsspace.blogspot.com' My problem with conventional medicine is drugs and the firm belief that drugs don't heal but deals with just symptons. A doctor will never prescribe spinich or carrots, oranges or grapefruit and will never admit diet has much to do with health. How it it possible for something manufactured in a lab heal a body made up of all natural elements?

Thanks for your insight and story. But my question still is... What was the tumors feeding off from. Tumors are as all living and growing things, they eat or take in energy some how, someplace. What went haywire, what was the tumors eating, liveing off of? I know about air, water and foods, but by all reasoning and by all I've been led to believe, my son should have recovered from this invasion.

The only chemicals injected into my son came from doctors when they removed his first and second tumors and when doing MIR's and pet scans. How invasive, how destructive can these synthetic chemicals be in a body?

I'll let it go with this rant and let you get back to your life.

Thanks again. Dan

Casey Eldredge said:

You're welcome.
Ironically enough, I was trying to learn more about cancer before I got it. I had watched the Food Matters video and wondered. I was a colon hydrotherapist and wanted to know how to help the cancer pts. that came to me and whether I would hurt them during treatments/cancer with colonics. Careful what you ask for because I got a first hand account. I had lost my own father 20 years earlier to complications of chemo for what was a "localized lymphoma in his femur, with a good prognosis". I was so afraid of going down that path, and I had just entered into the world of holistic medicine a year before, watched the foodmatters video and wanted to beat this cancer "naturally" by raising my immune system. When I was unable to do that and had to have chemo or die I felt like a failure. I continued to use colonics, accupuncture, double shots of wheatgrass, visualization, affirmations, treasure maps,love and support throughout my treatments....... I lost every inch of hair on my body (and for us hair nuerotic females thats a lot) There were many times I thought I would not make it and as I approach my 9 month check-up next week,I still deal with the fear of recurrence. I had 7 MRSA infections since my last chemo, gallbladder problems (which were noticed when I was first diagnosed, but had a much bigger enchilada on the plate) I was able to finally heal MRSA without antibiotics and natural methods and am currently attempting to not lose my GB to surgical removal. I truly believe in natural medicine, diet, lifestyle and that more money needs to go into research for natural methods for cancer, but alas that is not where the money is to be made, so it hasn't really been funded. I hope that if I'm able to write a book about my experiences I could help fund and raise money for research. Because in essence it should be"First Do No Harm."
I think we as holistic people need to not be such zealots and be open to conventional medicine at times. An integrative approach in a lot of different areas is good. I wrote an article in our local Confluence about my experience and got a letter in the next issue just blasting me, because according to her natural healthcare works. I did all the things she said worked and yet that was not my EXPERIENCE, how can someone rebuff someone's experience, not opinion?
What was your son's name? Someday when I write my book I would like to include his/your experience, if that's okay?
Another good book if you haven't read it, that I liked and am still reading is, Why People Don't, And How They Can., by Caroline Myss.
Casey
Casey

Dan Allen said:

Thanks Casey.

I've read a lot of books over the years, but missed that one. For thirty years I believed cancer could be treated with diet and fasting. This is something we did, 20 days on just water, myself and two sons in Northern Arizona. Still he contunied to waste away.

I'll get the book right away, and thanks for your responce,. Maybe I'll change my mind about Doctors and 'invasive medicine.'

And knowing that you're safe and alive to talk about it as well as embrace others with more understanding is in itself a gift to me.

Thaks again and love also.

Dan

Permalink Reply by Linda Viscardis on March 6, 2010 at 3:17am

You know Dan, you absolutely every right to "rant" as you say. I believe that is good, especially when you are seeking answers. You have such good questions! I confess I have no answers. But I do encourage you as a matter of course, to research the products produced by Isagenix International. These products are all natural, organic whenever possible, of the highest quality available and work synergistically. I will contact the company and pose the question you have asked here about what the tumour was feeding off of, and when I get an answer from them, I'll share it with you here. They may not be able to comment on specific cases of course, but they should have some knowledge of this type of thing.

In the meantime, keep asking questions. I will definitely check out the blog. Thanks for sharing that!
Take good care, Linda

Dan Allen said:

Darol's wife keeps a blog going. If you wish to visit, its 'springsspace.blogspot.com' My problem with conventional medicine is drugs and the firm belief that drugs don't heal but deals with just symptons. A doctor will never prescribe spinich or carrots, oranges or grapefruit and will never admit diet has much to do with health. How it it possible for something manufactured in a lab heal a body made up of all natural elements?

Thanks for your insight and story. But my question still is... What was the tumors feeding off from. Tumors are as all living and growing things, they eat or take in energy some how, someplace. What went haywire, what was the tumors eating, liveing off of? I know about air, water and foods, but by all reasoning and by all I've been led to believe, my son should have recovered from this invasion.

The only chemicals injected into my son came from doctors when they removed his first and second tumors and when doing MIR's and pet scans. How invasive, how destructive can these synthetic chemicals be in a body?

I'll let it go with this rant and let you get back to your life.

Thanks again. Dan

Casey Eldredge said:

You're welcome.
Ironically enough, I was trying to learn more about cancer before I got it. I had watched the Food Matters video and wondered. I was a colon hydrotherapist and wanted to know how to help the cancer pts. that came to me and whether I would hurt them during treatments/cancer with colonics. Careful what you ask for because I got a first hand account. I had lost my own father 20 years earlier to complications of chemo for what was a "localized lymphoma in his femur, with a good prognosis". I was so afraid of going down that path, and I had just entered into the world of holistic medicine a year before, watched the foodmatters video and wanted to beat this cancer "naturally" by raising my immune system. When I was unable to do that and had to have chemo or die I felt like a failure. I continued to use colonics, accupuncture, double shots of wheatgrass, visualization, affirmations, treasure maps,love and support throughout my treatments....... I lost every inch of hair on my body (and for us hair nuerotic females thats a lot) There were many times I thought I would not make it and as I approach my 9 month check-up next week,I still deal with the fear of recurrence. I had 7 MRSA infections since my last chemo, gallbladder problems (which were noticed when I was first diagnosed, but had a much bigger enchilada on the plate) I was able to finally heal MRSA without antibiotics and natural methods and am currently attempting to not lose my GB to surgical removal. I truly believe in natural medicine, diet, lifestyle and that more money needs to go into research for natural methods for cancer, but alas that is not where the money is to be made, so it hasn't really been funded. I hope that if I'm able to write a book about my experiences I could help fund and raise money for research. Because in essence it should be"First Do No Harm."
I think we as holistic people need to not be such zealots and be open to conventional medicine at times. An integrative approach in a lot of different areas is good. I wrote an article in our local Confluence about my experience and got a letter in the next issue just blasting me, because according to her natural healthcare works. I did all the things she said worked and yet that was not my EXPERIENCE, how can someone rebuff someone's experience, not opinion?
What was your son's name? Someday when I write my book I would like to include his/your experience, if that's okay?
Another good book if you haven't read it, that I liked and am still reading is, Why People Don't, And How They Can., by Caroline Myss.
Casey
Casey

Dan Allen said:

Thanks Casey.

I've read a lot of books over the years, but missed that one. For thirty years I believed cancer could be treated with diet and fasting. This is something we did, 20 days on just water, myself and two sons in Northern Arizona. Still he contunied to waste away.

I'll get the book right away, and thanks for your responce,. Maybe I'll change my mind about Doctors and 'invasive medicine.'

And knowing that you're safe and alive to talk about it as well as embrace others with more understanding is in itself a gift to me.

Thaks again and love also.

Dan